Much as I love spicy foods/hot sauce, this weapons grade shit is just silly.
I once signed a waiver to purchase a spicy chicken sandwich and will never do so again.
I had the same sandwich (Dave’s Hot Chicken reaper sandwich). I assumed it was just a marketing stunt. After one bite I had to go back and get a milkshake so I could sip it between bites to finish the damn sandwich.
Oh was it made with Dave’s Hot Sauce? I had a customer bring in his own Ultimate Insanity hot sauce to use in a Prairie Fire shot (tequila+hot sauce). Shit looked ROUGH. He let me keep the hot sauce after though and it became one of my partner’s favourites.
alcohol an capsaicin hits hard. the alcohol acts as a surfactant and your throat just gets obliterated. even vodka+tabasco can be pretty rough.
Yeah it’s totally a mistake.
I bought some stupid hot sauces out of curiosity a few years ago (last dab kind of sauces, they are fairly hot but still edible) but was not prepared for the heat. I tried some milk and bread and whatever and it didn’t help clear my mouth. It was on my tongue and my lips and I wanted it OFF.
So having watched some of the “plutonium” hot sauce videos I put my obviously very big brain to work. In some of those videos, capsaicin crystals are dissolved in alcohol. I thought to myself, “alcohol dissolves capsaicin, my mouth is hot from capsaicin, I have an idea”. It was not a good idea.
I swished and swallowed a shot of vodka.
As you say, it really helped the spicy coat my ENTIRE mouth and top of my throat. If you have never had spicy pain in between your teeth and coating your entire gumline, it is really something else. 2/10 would not recommend.
In any event, a lesson was learned that day that I doubt I will forget.
I find it hard to understand how a potentially hazardous to health food item is even allowed.
What is this obcession with ever increasing level of spice in food, lately?
Because at some point all the flavour just goes away, replaced by a hefty dose of pain.
self inflicted pain with no scars or prema damage, as long as it’s below pepper spray.
Your point being?
Drag wants it to hurt
iirc mice don’t have the same response to capsaicin as humans - they can taste it, and don’t particularly like the taste, but it doesn’t cause them pain like it does in humans.
By this researcher they do feel the “pain” from it:
Am I just missing where they claim that? From the conclusion:
Altering the palatability of this feed to rodents through the addition of capsaicin may greatly enhance traditional methods of increasing poison bait acceptance on poultry operations
That they avoid the taste has nothing inherently to do with the ‘pain’ experienced as a result of consuming it - in the preceding section they discuss other strategies to increase bait acceptance, including adding rodenticide to preferred bait foods. That rodents have taste preferences isn’t really in question, that they have a pain response to consuming capsaicin is.
here is test that uses pain caused by capsicin to test local anesthesia:
orofacial capsaicin test in rats
Does this prove that capsicium causes pain?
Edit some more research regarding the rodents:
Tree shrews can tolerate hot peppers:
Changes in TRPV1-Mediated Physiological Function in Rats Systemically Treated With Capsaicin on the NeonateThe question was never if subcutaneous injections of capsaicin produce a pain reaction, nor how the effects of neonatal exposure to capsaicin effect the development of a rats life (even if there are impacts on the sensitivity of a response in TRPV1 as a result, your second link pretty clearly establishes that that is not a strong indicator of pain response to capsaicin in rodents, though it doesn’t go on to establish specifics thereof). Neither of those have to do with the consumption of capsaicin, though the second article is pretty interesting! It doesn’t establish a relationship between baseline “rodents” and TRPV1 response though, nor does it make any claims about severity of response or exposure sensitivity (which are not the goals of the paper), but that may be because the only english copy I can find of the article is a fairly abbreviated version of the full chinese text (and I uh… do not read written chinese very well at all, let alone discussions of technical biology).
Combination of these two should show you that mice react similarly to human reactions to oral ingestion of capsicin:
Innate liking and disgust reactions elicited by intraoral capsaicin in male mice
Acute oral toxicity of capsaicin in mice
