1000 AI prompts = 3kg of CO2 - source including training
Don’t get me wrong there are plenty of reasons to hate AI
Before I probably get attacked for these valid points, I just want to say I’m not Pro-AI (look at my history)
There are plenty of valid reasons to be Anti-AI like Privacy, Copyright and many more, but the argument for the environment is a very weak one when you compare it to other things we aren’t as upset about like flying.
Whataboutism is not a very compelling argument. The existence of worse polluters does not pardon LLMs contributions any more than the existence of the crime of grand theft makes shoplifting a legal activity. Considering the existential threat of global climate change, it is the responsibility of every industry to avoid damage to the environment, however small their “drop in the bucket” is, as at a basic economic level a business on an extinct planet can no longer create value.
Well, maybe these companies should adopt green energy. Then they could offer their services without damages to the environment. Ecosia, for instance, uses over 100% green energy, meaning they free up other energy from the grid (if I understand correctly). If other companies were to do the same, damage to the environment wouldn’t be a worry. Especially for video, which, as I understand, is particularly bad for the environment.
Now, other reasons to hate on AI are a separate topic. Green energy doesn’t solve for privacy or theft.
Youtube and Netflix provide an actually useful service that allows people to watch/share videos. LLMs use an obscene amount of energy to do what is essentially just a fancy google search. Comparing the 2 is not justified
People are paying for them because they are brain dead MBA’s who think it’s the future. My litttle library in rural Ohio doesn’t have shit about the Mau Mau rebellion. Knowledge collections are worthwhile. Opening up a new nuclear plant so that you can fire all your customer support staff and replace them with chatbots is not useful.
I might get crucified for saying this on Lemmy
But I don’t see the energy issue as a real issue. I feel that is just the AI = Bad mentality looking for reasons to hate AI
If you compare it to other things, it’s a drop in the bucket
Don’t get me wrong there are plenty of reasons to hate AI
Before I probably get attacked for these valid points, I just want to say I’m not Pro-AI (look at my history) There are plenty of valid reasons to be Anti-AI like Privacy, Copyright and many more, but the argument for the environment is a very weak one when you compare it to other things we aren’t as upset about like flying.
Whataboutism is not a very compelling argument. The existence of worse polluters does not pardon LLMs contributions any more than the existence of the crime of grand theft makes shoplifting a legal activity. Considering the existential threat of global climate change, it is the responsibility of every industry to avoid damage to the environment, however small their “drop in the bucket” is, as at a basic economic level a business on an extinct planet can no longer create value.
With that logic we should all stop watching YouTube and Netflix because it’s so damaging to the environment (much more than AI)
What I’m saying is when it comes to climate change we should be focusing our energy where it matters.
Most countries still burn coal, we should be angry about that, AI is insignificant compared to that.
AI is however a massive privacy and copyright issue, there we can focus on regulation
Well, maybe these companies should adopt green energy. Then they could offer their services without damages to the environment. Ecosia, for instance, uses over 100% green energy, meaning they free up other energy from the grid (if I understand correctly). If other companies were to do the same, damage to the environment wouldn’t be a worry. Especially for video, which, as I understand, is particularly bad for the environment.
Now, other reasons to hate on AI are a separate topic. Green energy doesn’t solve for privacy or theft.
Youtube and Netflix provide an actually useful service that allows people to watch/share videos. LLMs use an obscene amount of energy to do what is essentially just a fancy google search. Comparing the 2 is not justified
By your logic a lot of Wikipedia is useless, you can just go to a library and look up the information in books.
LLm’s provide an actual useful service, else people wouldn’t be paying to use them.
Pretending it isn’t is rediculous.
People are paying for them because they are brain dead MBA’s who think it’s the future. My litttle library in rural Ohio doesn’t have shit about the Mau Mau rebellion. Knowledge collections are worthwhile. Opening up a new nuclear plant so that you can fire all your customer support staff and replace them with chatbots is not useful.
A lot of software devs also use it to find the right syntax for something, or to add more unit tests etc.
LLMs are very useful, thats just a really you have we accept, I wish it was never invented, but it’s here and it’s here to stay.
I myself find it very useful, I tried to deny ot at first but you have to accept reality
Do you ever use Wikipedia to look up something that is in your library?