• Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Instant surprise switch to nonexistence after my kids are grown up and have their own lifes would be totally fine.

    Preferrably in synchronization with the life partner.

    It’s not the being dead that’s the problem, it’s all the nasty stuff connected to the transition process.

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    Before your first taste of ice cream you had none. Now that ice cream is permabanned and you’ll never have it again why you so upset?

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      But you won’t be aware of the ice cream stopping. Only that it’s going to stop. But you won’t experience that stoppage. You’ll never lack for ice cream. You’ll only ever experience ice cream.

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      Completely different situation. You’d still remember that ice cream existed and therefore miss it. When you die your ability to remember will be gone.

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          But you won’t be conscious to experience it. You won’t be aware of it when it happens, so why are you afraid?

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        I don’t see why we are so special, that we actually permadie. If nothing is permanent, neither is death.

        I believe we just get recycled into whatever creature comes next, so does the universe.

        Except I’m not a buddist, so I think it is forever. And that we have been around and experienced forever already, and that most of our lives will be grueling, as you need many creatures to suffer and die to maintain a happy few.

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          Interesting. I personally don’t believe in reincarnation, but I really like the concept. It would be super cool if it was proven to be true.

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    You’ve already experienced

    Have I though? I don’t think my ability to “experience” existed prior to my birth.

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      And do you think that you will somehow still be conscious after you die? Your ability to experience will not exist when you die either. I thought that was common sense, but apparently not.

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      You now understand EXACTLY what death will be. Your ability to “experience” will no longer exist.

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      “Experienced” is a poor term to use when describing nonexistence. You weren’t there, there was no mind, there was no you, thusly there is no memory and even if there were, it would be of nothing.

      The notion is more that because you did not exist, you had no mind, no consciousness and thusly there was simply nothing. Not you, not an experience for you to absorb.

      it’s a weird concept because there is no way to really describe it that relates to anything we know. We know ONLY of existing. We can’t know of not existing because not existing precludes the ability to be cognizant of it.

      It’s one of those things you just have to accept. When we die, we simply cease to exist (unless you believe in an afterlife). The closest thing that I’ve experienced to being aware of non-existence is being put under general anthesia. You are lying there with doctors and nurses peering down at you over their masks, wearing their funny little hats, they tell you to count backward, by the time you get to two and a half, you’re gone. When you do eventually come back around, you just have a big empty spot that you time traveled through. No dreams, no thoughts, no awareness, just nothing.

      The only difference with death is the whole not coming back around bit. Of course, since you will not exist, you will not be concerned with that part because you will not be.

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    When powered on, a TV or computer monitor can output black. When powered off, the lack of signal is noticeably different than the black output. You do not experience a lack of signal.

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      May I ask, what exactly do you think death is? What you just described is not how death works at all.

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          Absolutely not. Biologically, death is defined as the irreversible cessation of all vital functions that keep an organism alive. The brain permanently loses all activity.

          Your brain literally sends electrical signals around your body via your central nervous system. That stops when you die.

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            I’m not sure what we’re in apparent disagreement about then. Perhaps you’re thinking in terms of signal output from the brain rather than external signal reception through the senses?

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                You do not see ultraviolet light or hear infrasound because you do not have sensory receptors that can detect these as light and sound. When there is or is not ultraviolet light or infrasound, you do not receive a signal of 0 or 1 in your light and sound sensors but there is (for lack of a better word) a null signal. A lack of means to detect something does not communicate that zero or any other amount of that something is present — it is simply obliviousness without necessarily knowing that there is obliviousness.

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      But we all experienced that lack of signal before we were born. When we was all just swimming and before.

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      Cover/close just your dominant eye. Black.

      Okay. Now your non-dominant one. Nothing.

      Nothing is meant by this, really. It’s a neat trick and I like to share. It doesn’t invalidate your statement, because one sense does not constitute our whole being.

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    People post this expecting it will make death more comfortable, but all it does is make contemplating the past less so.

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    I don’t remember what being 6 months old was like either, but I’m told I screamed and shit myself the entire time, so maybe the experience actually wasn’t great.

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    Because existence outside the void is glorious and beautiful and painful and strange; the Void is just empty nothingness, forever, and should not be cherished.

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    We are hard-wired to fear death so we don’t usher it on. By the time we are old enough to die of natural causes, we are in enough pain and so starved for serotonin that we’re more or less ok with it.

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    I only care about other people dying. Not afraid of my own death at all, except in how I know it will affect others. If I knew no one would care or remember that I existed, I’d skip to my death like I’m off to see the Wizard.

    Being not alive is not even another state of being. There is nothing to do the “being” on either side of alivetude. It’s not like, once dead, you’re now in Phase 3 of beingosity (the first two phases being pre-alive and alive). Your energy and nutrients will serve other purposes, but we’re talking about consciousness here, and that is as fragile and malleable as a flaccid penis, and as temporary and fleeting as a decent erection.

    A way I like to conceptualise it is with this thought experiment:

    Everyone on Earth has the power of telepathy, except you. You try to explain what not being able to read or transmit thoughts is like, and the other people who do have telepathy are struggling to grasp it. “Is it like a dial tone? Or is it maybe the ambient silence when you’re in a room with nothing making noise, like the sound of your own bodily vibrations?” and you have to be like “no, it’s none of those things, because those things are all still imagining the presence of a sensory platform that just doesn’t exist in me. It’s not a faulty telepathy, it’s complete absence of it that doesn’t hint at its own absence, there is no telepathy hole in my brain that I can finger, it’s all solid and complete as far as my sense of self is concerned”.

    Death is nothing to be afraid of. Your fears and anxieties around it are all supposing the ability to retain hindsight once the process is completed, like you’ll watch the party continue without you and that you’ll miss out on things that would make you happy. You’re simply projecting yourself forward in time, perhaps imagining yourself in some weird paralysed state, uninvolved in life, but still there. You’ll have no framework within which to experience experience. So fuckin’ relax and enjoy yourself and try to make everyone else’s ride as nice as you can. That’s literally all there is to it.

    Oh, and MILF porn.