I’m American and don’t trust U.S. firms with data.
To be clear, I also don’t trust Chinese firms.
I use DeepSeek, because I feel it is less nefarious.
Good lord, what’s wrong with the other two?
They over-consumed the goods from those countries and they lost their minds.
Good, also don’t trust european firms either, don’t trust any corporations with your data.
It’s amazing how many people cheer for corporations. There’s few consistents in the world but a big one is corporations are not your friend.
Lol who trusts any firm with their data?
American here, I don’t trust US firms with data
I trust they are selling my data to make money, even when I ask them not to.
I trust that they’ll be complete push-overs when it comes to law enforcement and agency data requests without a warrant.
Outside of moving data overseas, away from 5/9-eyes, I’m having a bad time figuring out how to obtain cryptographic control over my data within existing services. This leaves me to just upload crypto blobs everywhere with no real services to support it, or buying my own hardware and co-locating it myself.
I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.
As an American, I also don’t trust the US firms with my data.
Me either, but I also have zero faith in Europe to guard human rights. There are no good guys here.
Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.
Honestly, I prefer someone else’s untrustworthy.
I don’t trust China at all, but I trust them over the US, if only because they have no stake in me as a foreigner.
Yet… they play the long game.
They are all in on renewables. The US want everyone on oil and coal, the US wants the junky to keep and dependency.
We are the bad guys.
I don’t really see how that is relevant. Or how a country’s energy sources alone can determine whether they are “good” or “bad”.
It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.
It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.
That’s only the excuse the politicians are using. In reality there’s a combination of intelligence services and datamining operations pushing for scanning ordinary law-abiding citizens communications.
Europe tech often times are open source with commercial service.
At least it’s better than whatever Google, Microsoft, or Tencent.
I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.
China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!
Yeah just don’t travel to China. Imagine how awkward it’ll be in the airport when they tell you, “sorry, we have all your porn history and we don’t admit folks with poop fetishes.”
Or America, who will reject your Visa for having a meme of JD Vance on your phone
You got us there. America is fucking dumb.
they can do plenty enough to be worried. maybe they can not harm you physically (for now), but by having access to details of the private lives of people, their conversations, and being able to see how they form their opinions, they can use that information to determine how can they reshape public opinion on topics of their interests. this information can be used by themselves, or they can pass it to an ally, and it could be used to change almost anything, like interfere with elections, or further erode the need for privacy so that people are willingly giving up even more data to them
Cool story
For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.
Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.
Boy do I have some news for you. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
https://youtu.be/Kw96Qh0-rs0 (Gotta use auto-subs)Data control laws to prevent the sale of data not the government use of data.
governments often buy data instead of obtaining the necessary warrants, because its easier and more effective. if they can’t buy it, they have to do it the harder way, and the harder way can be made even harder with legislation
The us isn’t fond of other countries spying on you either. The state has not relinquished any amount of power or control in my lifetime. Europe caring about privacy is a facade.
I trust Chinese firms more than American ones…
If I’m going to ask for ai help because I don’t know how to do basic coding, I’m asking deepseek instead of clammy sam Altman bot
Chinese firms are more worthy of your trust than american ones, but its still not a positive number.
I can unterstand that but it still sound like copeing to me.
It is definitely a ‘there is bad guy so alternative to bad guy is good guy’ without understanding what kind of setting theure talking about sorta problem.
I trust that Chinese Firms won’t directly lead to my door being kicked in by ICE.
That is more than I can say about American firms.
This applies only if you’re american. Which is a small part of the world.
Outside China which part of the world are you more concerned with China kicking in the door instead of the US government?
To be fair, I don’t trust European companies with it either. As the saying goes: “Where there’s a trough, there will be pigs.” Want to keep your data safe? Keep it.
Yes, bit wary of these current trends that try to paint Europe as this holier than thou place where everyone only thinks about the polar bears and UBI, when the truth is we have plenty of capitalist sharks in our ranks that would be happy burning it all down for the next quarterly results.
To be fair, we have the GDPR in Europe, which puts people at ease. However, this could be weakened or rid of entirely in order for the EU to become more “competitive” some day. Even the climate change goals of the EU has already been weakened so that we could catch up to the AI race. As sad as it is, it’s just the realpolitik influencing decisions.
The EU keeps coming within inches of voting for making secure encryption impossible. Chat Control would have been worse for privacy than anything the US has.
And every year new open mass surveillance worse than the UK and US attempts to be passed and barely fails.
GDPR also doesn’t mean shit if it is barely enforced against large companies or the fines aren’t revenue-proportional… Then it is just a cost of doing business.
Let me assure you that in the large companies I’ve worked with, GDPR is taken very seriously.
Unless you’re Facebook or any other social media giant. GDPR is just an minor tax on their profit.
How many out of ten Europeans use Meta or TikTok?
You can use something and still not trust something.
What point are you trying to make?
I can spell it out for you:
People recognize the problem, but don’t take appropriate action.
I mean, this was my first question as well. If you say “I don’t trust that guy with my kids,” then you also should not be leaving that person alone with your kids. If you do leave him alone with your kids, people aren’t wrong to say that you very much are trusting him with them.
So I think it’s legitimate to ask whether they mean they “don’t trust Chinese and US firms with their data” in the sense that they do not provide their data to them, or just in the sense that they do give them a bunch of data, and then feel misgivings about it.
Which, y’know, it’s something you have a limited degree of control over, certainly, and we don’t want to fall too much into blaming the victims. But as someone who didn’t manage to actually get off Facebook until last year, I definitely felt for a long while before that like I was complicit in my own exploitation, and contributing to a societal problem. I think even the people still there know that cancelling it is the low-hanging fruit in terms of reducing the amount of data in the hands of dubious firms.
Self-plagiarizing:
Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, and Poland, where Poland has by far the highest rate of trust in US and Chinese tech companies. Seems therefore like the five other countries might not be a representative sample of Europeans, even though total Polish trust of US tech companies still only amounts to 38% compared to ~15% in runner-up Italy.
Coincidentally™, Polish trust nearly triples over more “Western” countries, which shows that this clearly isn’t a representative sample of Europeans – definitely not enough to claim “8 in 10 Europeans”. (Politico actually changed the headline from earlier which didn’t claim this.)
I live in the US and I dont trust US companies with my data either. They either sell it or are handled by easily exploitable systems developed offshore in India.
So, in that sense I do not trust the US, China, India, or Russia with my data and avoid software developed in any of these places when feasibly possible.
Even FOSS software? The Linux Foundation’s headquartered in the US.
I do get the rationale, but honestly you could just change that to “proprietary software” and you’d have more options with just as much data security.
Are you giving data to the Linux Foundation?
He clearly says “with my data”?
Yeah, I just send a copy of my medical records to them through email
Hmmm… 🤔
(I know alternatives, especially “truly” European are pretty much not existent, those 8 europeans still could’ve chosen one that’s respects their data a bit more than Google does if they don’t trust them I feel like)
Hmmm… 🤔
This meme is dumb.
Serfdom was mandatory tending of the lend in a slavery-like condition. Iphones and cars are luxury items.
If we’re being real I don’t really trust anyone with my data.
Don’t trust anyone, not even yourself.
Full time ass job to keep up with every single security bulletin.
Full time ass job
Sounds exhausting.
Leaves you utterly pooped.
Send it to me. I’ll keep it safe. I promise not to share it.
Still a better deal than what all big tech firms offer.
One year later: I’m changing the conditions of my promise.
Still better. You’ll have to promise to share with 180 partners from the get go just to be close to the same level as them. And then do some chicanery.
