came here to say just this, just seeing a feed of your childs interactions at another space is fucking weird. Why goto this logging level? Isnt it just good enough of, yeah they napped well today, and they hit there head, it scared them but we got them calmed and an ice pack just in case.
I feel like this is what helicopter parenting but they have to work so this is what they want and they need to calm down, they dont even monitor the indoor air at this level and that has been shown to be a big contributor of poor mental performance then just being at day care with sun and playing with others.
Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn’t nap, you can adjust what you do after
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.
so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up
Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?
That’s not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you’re absolutely not getting a full report while they’re panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.
30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that’s for a stupendously overworked person. Like “CPS call” levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.
that is if everything is going to plan and you just have to press the childs button and action, but you also have to get the device at the time to so you should at least add in 5 seconds for that. But again, children are not like this, so the care giver once per hour I am sure is having to type out some dumb thing this human just did, So I would say that 5 min to 10 min is spent on logging and tending the human that fell or freaked out.
Going based on my kids daycare, it’s really not a problem. You’re talking 30:1 kids to caregivers, and 8:1 is over the legal limit.
Like, I’ve hung out in the daycare. I’ve talked to the caregivers. It’s not nearly the way you seem to think. They like it because it’s easier than the documentation they would be keeping for their own purposes.
I’m typing this having just gotten back from dropping the kids off with them and hanging out chatting for a bit.
If the kid fell and bumped his head, I’m sure they are spending about five minutes logging and tending to them. Probably 20 seconds typing after 3 or 4 minutes putting an ice pack on it, giving them a hug and letting them sit on their lap.
so wait you are saying they do have time to chat, which in a lot of these comments they state they dont have time for this. I think the logging of major things would be fine, but bathroom breaks and nap time hell all the other small things they have to log is dumb, and not really helpful if you are trying to get to the source of an issue (like bathroom incidences or they seem to be overly tired). Also I was never talking 30:1, if you look we showed its 10:1 legally.
Also how long did it take you to write that, were you on a phone or tablet? I know a lot of the people I know type really slow on a table due to how bad the keyboard is (this is not talking about a docked one). So pressing a few buttons then typing something out is like 2 to 5 min. I am just saying in the world where they dont have the time to talk to you (which I asked around and isnt the case, and you seem to say the same) they could be spending that time with the kids and then interact with me at the end/start of the day.
I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.
A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say “just,” but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.
its like you havent read what I said, You should want to talk to these people, dont treat them as a resource, they are caring for your children. This is the same with their teachers, you should want to talk to them, even more than the scheduled times.
You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.
Let’s not put the blame only on the parents. Anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds working for a corp would understand that taking credit for work does not mean the work got done.
Assuming the diapers aren’t tracked by barcode and there isn’t an independent inspector validating each operation, I would be MORE wary about my kid being well taken care of at a place that measures and tracks work this way. Especially since the types of management that would think this was a good idea are also the type to not understand how work actually gets done and drives to making the metrics look good at the expense of actually caring for human children.
Yeah thinking that child raising is just a calculation to be figured out is just not the right way. Yes plan the day, but outside of play,eat,nap,reading time. You shouldnt be like did you log the child having a come apart for just being over stimulated?? Or the odd fight that happened over block that neither child wanted to play with?!
came here to say just this, just seeing a feed of your childs interactions at another space is fucking weird. Why goto this logging level? Isnt it just good enough of, yeah they napped well today, and they hit there head, it scared them but we got them calmed and an ice pack just in case.
I feel like this is what helicopter parenting but they have to work so this is what they want and they need to calm down, they dont even monitor the indoor air at this level and that has been shown to be a big contributor of poor mental performance then just being at day care with sun and playing with others.
Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn’t nap, you can adjust what you do after
yeah but you are pulling their attention for that, logging that is time they are not dealing with children.
How long do you think it takes to log? That would take maybe 5 seconds max unless the ui is horrendous.
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.
Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?
That’s not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you’re absolutely not getting a full report while they’re panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.
30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that’s for a stupendously overworked person. Like “CPS call” levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.
that is if everything is going to plan and you just have to press the childs button and action, but you also have to get the device at the time to so you should at least add in 5 seconds for that. But again, children are not like this, so the care giver once per hour I am sure is having to type out some dumb thing this human just did, So I would say that 5 min to 10 min is spent on logging and tending the human that fell or freaked out.
Going based on my kids daycare, it’s really not a problem. You’re talking 30:1 kids to caregivers, and 8:1 is over the legal limit.
Like, I’ve hung out in the daycare. I’ve talked to the caregivers. It’s not nearly the way you seem to think. They like it because it’s easier than the documentation they would be keeping for their own purposes.
I’m typing this having just gotten back from dropping the kids off with them and hanging out chatting for a bit.
If the kid fell and bumped his head, I’m sure they are spending about five minutes logging and tending to them. Probably 20 seconds typing after 3 or 4 minutes putting an ice pack on it, giving them a hug and letting them sit on their lap.
so wait you are saying they do have time to chat, which in a lot of these comments they state they dont have time for this. I think the logging of major things would be fine, but bathroom breaks and nap time hell all the other small things they have to log is dumb, and not really helpful if you are trying to get to the source of an issue (like bathroom incidences or they seem to be overly tired). Also I was never talking 30:1, if you look we showed its 10:1 legally.
Also how long did it take you to write that, were you on a phone or tablet? I know a lot of the people I know type really slow on a table due to how bad the keyboard is (this is not talking about a docked one). So pressing a few buttons then typing something out is like 2 to 5 min. I am just saying in the world where they dont have the time to talk to you (which I asked around and isnt the case, and you seem to say the same) they could be spending that time with the kids and then interact with me at the end/start of the day.
They’re spending that time doing diaper changes. They’re not attending to the other kids regardless.
I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.
A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say “just,” but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.
It’s like you haven’t read a single reply
its like you havent read what I said, You should want to talk to these people, dont treat them as a resource, they are caring for your children. This is the same with their teachers, you should want to talk to them, even more than the scheduled times.
You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.
Let’s not put the blame only on the parents. Anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds working for a corp would understand that taking credit for work does not mean the work got done.
Assuming the diapers aren’t tracked by barcode and there isn’t an independent inspector validating each operation, I would be MORE wary about my kid being well taken care of at a place that measures and tracks work this way. Especially since the types of management that would think this was a good idea are also the type to not understand how work actually gets done and drives to making the metrics look good at the expense of actually caring for human children.
Yeah thinking that child raising is just a calculation to be figured out is just not the right way. Yes plan the day, but outside of play,eat,nap,reading time. You shouldnt be like did you log the child having a come apart for just being over stimulated?? Or the odd fight that happened over block that neither child wanted to play with?!